ok naman..but to cut the long story short, parang in the long run isip ko pa rin..sige, automatic na nga yung setting ng camera!..*grin*
if you want some epeks though..ayun na setting ng aperture, shutter speed, exposure compensation etc. and that would need practice and experimentation at least for my part...
bitbit ko pa yung manual ng cam ko (coz I usually shoot yung pambilisan - I hate to waste photo ops i.e. rare ako mag fiddle wih my controls once I set them up)
gusto ko lang makapasok ang maka-ikot sa UP kaya pumunta ako..hahaha! may konti-konting pics ako resulting from the lessons kahapon since mas natuwa akong palakad-lakad..
yung pics ko this time mostly were on the group assignment they gave and not much on the campus itself..I only got a shot of Palma Hall (AS Steps)..yung Oblation di ko napuntahan coz we got stuck near the lagoon and the Vargas Museum because we were supposed to take a pic of sculpture, abstraction, rule of thirds blah-blah..
funny thing about the Vargas Museum, is that when I tried to take a picture of a piece of sculpture on the front of the building, I was at first asked by the guard if I had a permit...in the end he relented since I said it was sculpture outside and I didn't take a pic of things inside the museum.
*sigh* I also found out during this shoot that even pictures taken of the Luneta are banned!
sayang nga coz I wanted to go around the campus since there were some sports activities and there was this martsa naman of students protesting something...
I don't understand. Bakit bawal kumuha ng mga pictures diyan sa Luneta, Vargas Museum, yung building sa Makati (in your other album), Malacanang, etc. etc. Photographs are an excellent way to promote tourism. Nagiging super paranoid na yata mga tao diyan. Maski ang White House hindi bawal kunan ng picture. Can you imagine the uproar if people aren't allowed to take pictures of Central Park in NYC and the Golden Gate Park in SF, or even Stanley Park in Vancouver?
BTW, ano yung Vargas Museum? Wala pa yan nung 60s.
alam mo BNK, di ko alam rin...*sigh* it really irritates me...
even if sabihin nating they are afraid of bombings..ewan ko..it still seems ridiculous to me at this stage.
ayun, tinanong ko sa ibang thread si Sir B..if makita nya yon and he will answer, perhaps we can both be pacified kc ako ngayon, I am pursing my lips, wrinkling my nose, and my eyebrows are meeting each other already...
yung sa Vargas, hehehe..tinanong ko rin si Sir B at nag drive-by shooting lang ako literally as we were under time pressure, and talking to the guard to convince him to let me take pics already chopped off minutes from my alloted time...grrrr din ulit sa kanila..
my team got the most points for the group assignment... (ang prize ay tig-iisa kami ng lens cleaner hehehe)
one of my pics got included in the submission for group assignment (though di ako satisfied coz I felt it wasn't blurry enough..and I was right...di sya nanalo for blurry background category)
then two club members chose best pics from what we passed them for individual effort as our own best shot and one of my Corregidor pics got chosen.
baka timing kc at ako lang nag landscape...mwahaha! the funny thing is, di pa yon sa camera kong malaki..don pa yon sa maliit na pang instant shots...*wink*
nanalo ako ng another lens cleaner...akala ko yung lens na mismo ng camera ibibigay...*hikbi*
kung sino mang maka-daan ditong post ko sa mutliply network...
I would like to ask a favor...... please give your honest critique for any pictures starting from now that I will be posting.
except for those wherein I post and open to everyone because they are not part of my network but would want to see the pics (kagaya ng mga friends ko na di nag mu-multiply), I will try to post a lesser number of shots which may qualify as an improvement over my style of point and click.
don't worry...if di ko gusto yung comment nyo...di naman ako iiyak...kakain lang ako ng chocolate, ok na yang samang loob ko..hahaha!
in the end, its still what I see, what I feel and what I thought when I put out the final pic...pero shempre its nice to get other points of view *smile*
Absolutely! Parang painting din yang photography, nasa photographer ang interpretation nya ng kanyang nakikita based on his mood, feelings, etc at that particular moment. It's good to know the principles and basics of photography as your foundation, but that shouldn't stop you from shooting "outside the box," so to speak. Rules can be broken. It's the final image that matters.
hehe..pi-nost ko na lang sa flickr (kasa-sign up ko lang) yung faves ko after I learned the terms...
e dito naman sa multiply...basta mag-comment lang kayo with your photographer's eye kung ano ang makikita nyong improvement or kulang sa pics (so far, unedited ang pics ko in terms of yong ala adobe or picasa but I may get into that later on)
I was amazed at the merge HDR option sa Adobe Photoshop nilang pinakita..gusto ko rin sana ganon ang ibang pics ko..cartoonish ang dating..pero ewan din..kc isip ko mas gusto ko as much as possible na natural and not edited yung pics ko...
but they have a point din - tama din naman na what matters is what the photographer sees di ba? if sa mata nya, maganda yung picture of a bunch of sardines swimming tapos intentionally bi-nlur nya yung iba...who is to say he did a great wrong? ke ginawa nya yun sa Adobe or na-timing sa pagkuha nya with his settings, its still his baby...
Diyan nagkakaiba ang mga film photographers at mga digital photographers. Film photographers say that digital photogs are manipulating the image to the point that it's no longer a "natural" image. Even photographic errors are corrected to the point that it becomes a "perfect" photo. Masyado nang sterile, at maraming pandadaya. Digital photogs naman argue that photography is an art form and that's the way they express their photographic art. Iba't ibang school of thought yan. I was into film photography for many years. In fact, I even held annual summer photo workshops here in Vancouver under the sponsorship of the UP Alumni Association, touching on composition, exposure, shutter opening and speed, all the basics of photography. We even went on photo field trips.
It's just recently that I got interested in digital photography. First, it's the way photography is going and I have to get on board, otherwise I'll be left behind. Second, it's way cheaper than film. So long as I don't get overboard with the digital images and stay within the parameters of "normal and natural" photography, it's just like film. For a starter I have a 5 MP Canon PowerShot SD30 point-n-shoot, the tiniest camera in the Canon range. All the photos posted in Multiply were taken with this camera, and I'm quite happy with it. No plans to upgrade yet. I'll probably not bother to learn Photoshop because I won't need it and because I'm also computer-challenged.
oh so finally, i have a Canon fan here on this side...so tell me BNK, how tiny and good is your canon powershot SD30. i wanted to get a new cam and would just like to get your inputs...=)
Sa digital lang ako nag-Canon pero sa film I use a Nikon F and a Nikon F2 Photomic. My Canon SD30 is sold in Asia as Canon Digital Ixus i Zoom. It was replaced this year by the Canon SD40.
For a complete review of the Canon SD30, please go to: www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_sd30-reviews/
You might want to check out the Lumix line of digicams as well, particularly those with Leica lenses. Our friend Boy Yniguez uses a Lumix TZ1 with only 5 MP (like my Canon SD30) and his photos are sharp and beautiful. Check out his Multiply site - you can access his site through my or Hugzone's site.
Finally, you don't need to have the most expensive digicam with the highest megapixels and the most bells and whistles to come up with a great photograph. It's who presses the shutter that really matters.
thanks for the advice BNK! i have a jurassic digicam which only has 2 megapixel and i think it is high time to buy a new one with better features...but i am no professional here. so i think i will stick to a point and shoot gadget...as i only shoot celebrations we have...i don't think i have the eyes of our dear kayumanguitos....taob ako..makiki view na lang ako sa kanila...hehehe!!
Don't mention it Meann, I enjoy doing this. I was also ignorant about digital photography until I started asking, just like what you're doing right now. And you know what? Due to developments in digital technology, almost all name-brand digicams in the market now are practically comparable in performance. You can't go wrong with any point-n-shoot Canon, Nikon, Panasonic Lumix, Fuji, Pentax, HP, Kodak, Sony, Olympus, Casio. I suggest going to a camera store and asking questions. Hold the camera and see how it feels. Check the functions and settings menu and see how user-friendly it is. Narrow down your choices to at least three, and then go to the internet and google for camera reviews. Ignore salesperson's recommendations as he may be biased towards a particular brand due to higher commission. Even friends could be biased, but at least they're talking from experience. The new point-n-shoot digicams now are in the 7-10 MP range. More MP doesn't necessarily mean better pictures; it simply means you're able to enlarge the picture to a bigger size with reasonable clarity. If your biggest enlargement is 8x10 up to 16x20, a 7 MP is good enough. Good luck!
iba na talaga ang may experience, first hand...i am no pro...kaya lulubayan ko na ang pangarap na magkaroon ng nikon or canon EOS d40. parang di ako yun eh...i am more of a mommy who wants to capture stuff my kids do...and picture friends when they are with me...so anything small that i can carry in my purse, but still do zoom (macro), sequence and enlargements and panoramic view...is fine by me...
ah cat dear....pasensya ka na at nagamit na venue itong blog mo...hehehe!
I am actually very happy nilagay nyo dito yung mga ganito na comments about digital photography and such.
E ako nga ngayon, nag-million-times think over about buying an SLR...eto nagiisip ba Canon or Nikon, Canon or Nikon, nahihilo na ako...dithering from one end to another...so thanks to BNK din, mag research na ako konti sa Canon...
and there are just so many things which can be discussed about film versus digital, the art form of photography...
ako, I have to thank my dad and his small collection of cameras...puro film yun lahat...ang reklamo ko lang naman is matagal ko makita ang final images and mahal bumili ng mga film etc...
call me snobbish..pero deep inside, isip ko, mas mabibigay ako ng kudos sa photographer using film medium, tapos maganda ang picture nya at walang retoke.
and MeAnn, ako I can vouch for Pentax cameras..maganda ang labas. (kc client namin before Pentax Optical sa Mactan Island so bumibili ako sa sale nila sa Christmas ng mga cams nila for me or if may magpabili if di makapunta..so ok yun)
another is yung sa akin Fujifilm Finepix S602Z ang cam ko ngayon...yung battered and may packaging tape sa gilid..di yon that expensive pero ok naman ang pics
ako naman more of I want to catch the moment forever...and share it with other people...candid and bilisan ang gusto kong shots...kc takot akong mawala..hahaha...so as BNK said, you don't need a gazillion megapixels..even 10 MP for me is overkill..not needed naman...
Hey Cat, Way to go. It is good that you are willing to step up in your photography by attending this workshop. When I used to shoot with film, I joined the Nikon club here and we did a lot of photo shoot on the weekend. I used to shoot 6-7 rolls of 36s a week. In each roll, sometimes only 5 or 6 are good. The rest are throw aways. Then later on as I got better, more frames were worth keeping. Then I didn't have to use up several rolls of film anymore. So you really learn from your mistakes. As a matter of fact, as you continue to learn about your photography, you will instinctively learn how to expose just by looking at your surroundings without using a light meter or the meter in your camera. The old Nikon Fs and F2 will force you to learn to do that. I highly recommend that when you shoot with your digital SLR, when you get one, shoot everything in manual. I am doing the same thing with my digital SLR, except for the focusing. Malabo na kasi yung mata ko. I just let the auto focus work for me, I do the rest myself.
BNK's explanation is really good about the difference between digital and film photograpy pero hindi sila nagkakalayo. Using Photoshop is like manipulating your photos in the lab by cropping, dodging and burning. As BNK also said, digital is the way to go.
I have rekindled my passion for it because of digital technology. The only thing I can say about the difference between digital and film is that digital cameras are more sensitive to light than film. I have purposely underexposed some shots and they still turn out the way I wanted it. I also try not to use a flash, unless I really have to. Boboy hardly uses flash too and his results are excellent. Just have steady hand. BTW, some lenses now have image stabilizing features.
Meann, ako rin naging convert to a Canon nung nag-digital ako. I started with a Powershot S40. Then I lost it at the hotel where I had a meeting. I upgraded to the Powershot S50 Black body. Now, I inherited my son's Canon digital SLR and his lenses, the whole package when his company finally issued him his Canon equipment. I am very very happy with them.
Meann, tama yung advice ni BNK. Get the Lumix brand because it has a Leica lens. I bought one myself too when it went on sale here. I got the Lumix DMC-TZ3. I don't know what the model number is in Asia but it features a 10X Optical zoom. Hindi Digital zoom. That sucks. My Kona posting was taken with that camera. Madali pang dalhin and very user friendly pa. Regarding megapixels, I don't shoot the full megapixels unless I will print and enlarge them. Usually nasa 2 megapixels lang ako. On my SLR, that's when I shoot at L setting but sometimes I set it to M1. It is always better to use a high capacity memory card like a 2G or 4G. Also make it a habit to upload your photos into your computer daily. My son strongly advised that to me. Kung hindi maglalabulabo yung files mo. It is like this, you eat something then you go to the CR to empty yourself.
BNK, buhay pa ba yung mga Nikon mo? Sa akin buhay pa. Those cameras live forever as long as you take care of them.
I met a guy 2 weeks ago who used to be a photojournalist but now he shoots weddings and stuff and he still uses films for his projects and he shoots with Nikons. We had a nice long conversation and nothing but praises for the old bodies and lenses. Believe it or not (since now I switched to Canon) I recently bought from Ebay a mount adapter so that I could still use my old Nikon Ai and non-Ai lenses on my Canon SLR. There was an article that said it will work. I tried it but it didn't work. I get an error every time I tried to shoot something. It's a good thing I only spent $16.00 for it. Other mount adapters are selling for $56 but with electronic contact points. In my case, I didn't need that since all my Nikon lenses, obviously, are manual focusing.
Cat, look into the Canon 5D (highly recommended) or 30D or 40D. I think you can find a used 5D or 30D online either thru Ebay or Craig's List. The Rebel might work for you too. I am just not sure if you can shoot manually with that.
Cat, hayaan mo, Ngayong pasko, I will give you negative feedbacks para marami kang makain na chocolate. Then after the holidays, positive feedback naman.
BTW, I like your new headshot. So wala kang chocolate treat.
ako nagrereklamo..kc my dad let me play around with his Argus (ngek, di ko alam ang model number non pero nakakatuwa ang hitsura) and high school student lang ako non...shempre tipid sa film kc walang allowance..so I had to really think ano ba ang gusto ko talgang kunan..I can still recall may linya sya sa gitna when you look into the viewfinder para ma-align mo image mong nakikita...hahaha!
meron yata din syang Leica pero noli-me-tangere yata yon para sa akin..what saddens me though is that as he has gotten older, di na nya alam saan na yung iban cams nya...
recently this last visit of mine in November to Cebu, buti na discover ko yung Nikon F70 nya..just as I was leaving to go to Manila....balikan ko yon and tingnan if gagana pa...*sobs* may film pa and buti di nag leak ng battery sa tingin ko last 2003 pa yata yong film non when we went on a trip.
I have to agree with you on the flash....although usually automatic yung setting ko sa finepix ko kc bilisan (sino pang mag manipulate sa manual settings of aperture and shutter speed when kumekendot na ang subject mo hehehe)..mas ok pa rin without flash. If I use flash either too white yung faces, yung likod/background itim or medyo ibang labas sa color ng picture, sometimes medyo orangey-yellowish-pasty etc.
sure! kung may magdadala sa akin or may magyaya punta doon...the thing I hate about Manila is the difficulty in travelling around..even if I were to have a car (which I don't thank goodness at gastos siguro)...you have to plan everything to get to a place..which is so tiring...unlike Cebu, ang bilis...may impulse ka..you just run and jump into some vehicle without worrying too much...
I second the motion! MeAnn, makinig ka sa nakakatanda sa yo (points to Joey ehehehe).
I learned this lesson the hard way. For someone like me who is in the computer industry, the concept of backup is supposed to be ingrained, right?
Not with me and cameras before.
Sometime ago, and Sir B is witness to this, a classmate of ours formatted (by accident) my yet untransferred-to-the-laptop media (compact flash) which had all the pictures of all December gatherings I went to...from the old house of an uncle in Forbes which had lovely antiques (may harp pa fit for the angels yon) which I could only visit once in my lifetime to all the Christmas parties namin in AIM)...imagine!
sa tingin ko namutla ako briefly due to a mixture of equal parts anger, sadness, fear, disbelief and murderous intent. buti na lang na control ko pa sarili ko or else, ihulog ko na sya sana from the penthouse window of Sir B's condo in Makati (kumain kc kami don after class...light snacks).
walang lokohan...for a brief moment, kinonsider ko yon..naisip ko lang kc may witness eh...kc nandun si Sir B, Ms G, ibang classmates...hirap naman if ihulog ko rin sila para walang makakaalam...hmph...
and from then on...ayon, every time may pictures ako..hard disk and backup later to cd/dvd.
Buhay pa pero naghi-hibernate na. The Nikon F I bought used for $70 in 1975 from an old man here in Vancouver (he was also selling his Hasselblad 500C at the same time). Right after, I took it to the Nikon service center for a check-up and adjustment, and also to change the mirror damper. The Nikon F2 I bought new in San Francisco in 1974.
You cannot go wrong with Nikon D80. It's a great buy! Mahusay yan. In fact, mas nakatipid ka pa. Canon 5D, 30D and 40D are very expensive but well built. Body lang yon. Yung 5D is full frame. So what you see on the lens is what you get. Sa akin is only 1:3 ratio. e.g. 24 mm will come out as 28 mm. I am thinking of getting a 5D later on pag nakaipon na ulit ako. Namulubi akong bigla nung kinuha ko yung equipment ng aking anak.
Pwede mo pang i-process yung film. I would really make an effort next visit to find all of your dad's cameras. Sayang.
Regarding manual settings, in time, masasanay ka rin. You will enjoy it more kasi may control ka sa exposures. e.g. Sunsets are always taken underexposed and bracketed to make it more dramatic. It's like the standard operational procedure.
btw, I love your Corregidor photos. Ay naku, wala ka na namang chocolate.
Pareho tayo BNK. Pero it is ready if I need to shoot film again. I just don't know when.
Padre, pag bisita mo dito mag-photo shoot tayo, OK.
Sana binili mo na rin yung Hasselblad.
My 2 Fs, I bought used. One from a Pawn shop and in mint condition, the other in Seattle. It came with a F36 Motor Drive. Yung F2 dito ko na nabili. Used din. Pero I bought the Motor drive from Sun Photo sa Manila. Doddie, our friend from JASMS convinced me to get it. It was a steal. Brand new pa.
I agree, absolutely. Nothing beats a Leica M series camera, and Leica lenses are the best in the business. If I win the Lotto, I'll reward myself with a Leica M8.
Some Panasonic Lumix digicams have Leica lenses (made in Japan in partnership with Leica) that's why the image is sharp and color rendition is accurate). However, Leica lenses made in Germany by Leica are considered the best.
You're right Joey. I should've bought the used Hasselblad 500C the old man was selling when I bought the Nikon F. The price though was kind of steep for me at that time, $500, but in hindsight it was actually a steal because it came with the 80mm lens and a couple of backs.
And yes, we'll go for a photoshoot next time we have EB, either in Hawaii or here in Vancouver, and we'll take our Nikons along.
Oo, yung Leica M8 digital. I also dream of owning Leica film cameras like the M3 and the M7. A Chinese friend shoots with an M3. He'll let you drive his BMW but will never lend you his Leica.
am sort of deflated na happy..I just found out that di natuloy ang pagbili ng Nikon D80 ng friend ko...parang ok rin...photography is not the cheapest interest one can have...
siguro next year baka nga may Nikon na ako...
I've just checked with my dad...wala pala syang Leica..yung brother nya meron (may mas pera yon) before..ang nakuha nya was his Argus at that time..hahaha!
Nikon lang yata sa kanya...pero I will find time this year to hunt through the first cabinet dito if baka may nakatago syang mga camera na di na nya ma remember...
sa tingin ko expired na yon...but will get batts here and test if his Nikon will work..wala na yung manual, but pwede naman siguro sa internet...eto bag lang at body nasa gilid ko...
as for manual settings..oo nga eh...gusto ko nga to have those..esp when I saw yung result ng test ko sa motion blur...sometimes though nakakahinayang isipin pwede naman thru software..hehehe
..alam ko na ang gawin kong standard for the guy na gawin kong bf...parang sign from God...if ipapahiram nya sa akin ang Leica nya..ehem..ehem...(di na yata ako magkaka-bf if ganon ang test hehehe!)
Is there a fee for this workshop or is it free?
ReplyDeletewe paid just for yung snacks namin :-)
ReplyDeleteok naman..but to cut the long story short, parang in the long run isip ko pa rin..sige, automatic na nga yung setting ng camera!..*grin*
if you want some epeks though..ayun na setting ng aperture, shutter speed, exposure compensation etc. and that would need practice and experimentation at least for my part...
bitbit ko pa yung manual ng cam ko (coz I usually shoot yung pambilisan - I hate to waste photo ops i.e. rare ako mag fiddle wih my controls once I set them up)
gusto ko lang makapasok ang maka-ikot sa UP kaya pumunta ako..hahaha! may konti-konting pics ako resulting from the lessons kahapon since mas natuwa akong palakad-lakad..
Cat, pag naglalakad ka sa UP Diliman campus, pakikuha ng maraming pictures at i-post mo sa Multilly. Gusto kong makita kung ano ang itsura ngayon.
ReplyDeletecge, next time if makabalik ako...
ReplyDeleteyung pics ko this time mostly were on the group assignment they gave and not much on the campus itself..I only got a shot of Palma Hall (AS Steps)..yung Oblation di ko napuntahan coz we got stuck near the lagoon and the Vargas Museum because we were supposed to take a pic of sculpture, abstraction, rule of thirds blah-blah..
funny thing about the Vargas Museum, is that when I tried to take a picture of a piece of sculpture on the front of the building, I was at first asked by the guard if I had a permit...in the end he relented since I said it was sculpture outside and I didn't take a pic of things inside the museum.
*sigh* I also found out during this shoot that even pictures taken of the Luneta are banned!
sayang nga coz I wanted to go around the campus since there were some sports activities and there was this martsa naman of students protesting something...
I don't understand. Bakit bawal kumuha ng mga pictures diyan sa Luneta, Vargas Museum, yung building sa Makati (in your other album), Malacanang, etc. etc. Photographs are an excellent way to promote tourism. Nagiging super paranoid na yata mga tao diyan. Maski ang White House hindi bawal kunan ng picture. Can you imagine the uproar if people aren't allowed to take pictures of Central Park in NYC and the Golden Gate Park in SF, or even Stanley Park in Vancouver?
ReplyDeleteBTW, ano yung Vargas Museum? Wala pa yan nung 60s.
alam mo BNK, di ko alam rin...*sigh* it really irritates me...
ReplyDeleteeven if sabihin nating they are afraid of bombings..ewan ko..it still seems ridiculous to me at this stage.
ayun, tinanong ko sa ibang thread si Sir B..if makita nya yon and he will answer, perhaps we can both be pacified kc ako ngayon, I am pursing my lips, wrinkling my nose, and my eyebrows are meeting each other already...
yung sa Vargas, hehehe..tinanong ko rin si Sir B at nag drive-by shooting lang ako literally as we were under time pressure, and talking to the guard to convince him to let me take pics already chopped off minutes from my alloted time...grrrr din ulit sa kanila..
we had our final session tonight...
ReplyDeletenatuwa naman ako...
my team got the most points for the group assignment... (ang prize ay tig-iisa kami ng lens cleaner hehehe)
one of my pics got included in the submission for group assignment (though di ako satisfied coz I felt it wasn't blurry enough..and I was right...di sya nanalo for blurry background category)
then two club members chose best pics from what we passed them for individual effort as our own best shot and one of my Corregidor pics got chosen.
baka timing kc at ako lang nag landscape...mwahaha! the funny thing is, di pa yon sa camera kong malaki..don pa yon sa maliit na pang instant shots...*wink*
nanalo ako ng another lens cleaner...akala ko yung lens na mismo ng camera ibibigay...*hikbi*
joke lang po.
kung sino mang maka-daan ditong post ko sa mutliply network...
ReplyDeleteI would like to ask a favor......
please give your honest critique for any pictures starting from now that I will be posting.
except for those wherein I post and open to everyone because they are not part of my network but would want to see the pics (kagaya ng mga friends ko na di nag mu-multiply),
I will try to post a lesser number of shots which may qualify as an improvement over my style of point and click.
don't worry...if di ko gusto yung comment nyo...di naman ako iiyak...kakain lang ako ng chocolate, ok na yang samang loob ko..hahaha!
in the end, its still what I see, what I feel and what I thought when I put out the final pic...pero shempre its nice to get other points of view *smile*
Absolutely! Parang painting din yang photography, nasa photographer ang interpretation nya ng kanyang nakikita based on his mood, feelings, etc at that particular moment. It's good to know the principles and basics of photography as your foundation, but that shouldn't stop you from shooting "outside the box," so to speak. Rules can be broken. It's the final image that matters.
ReplyDeleteOk Cat. Bring 'em on.
ReplyDeletehehe..pi-nost ko na lang sa flickr (kasa-sign up ko lang) yung faves ko after I learned the terms...
ReplyDeletee dito naman sa multiply...basta mag-comment lang kayo with your photographer's eye kung ano ang makikita nyong improvement or kulang sa pics (so far, unedited ang pics ko in terms of yong ala adobe or picasa but I may get into that later on)
I was amazed at the merge HDR option sa Adobe Photoshop nilang pinakita..gusto ko rin sana ganon ang ibang pics ko..cartoonish ang dating..pero ewan din..kc isip ko mas gusto ko as much as possible na natural and not edited yung pics ko...
but they have a point din - tama din naman na what matters is what the photographer sees di ba? if sa mata nya, maganda yung picture of a bunch of sardines swimming tapos intentionally bi-nlur nya yung iba...who is to say he did a great wrong? ke ginawa nya yun sa Adobe or na-timing sa pagkuha nya with his settings, its still his baby...
Diyan nagkakaiba ang mga film photographers at mga digital photographers. Film photographers say that digital photogs are manipulating the image to the point that it's no longer a "natural" image. Even photographic errors are corrected to the point that it becomes a "perfect" photo. Masyado nang sterile, at maraming pandadaya. Digital photogs naman argue that photography is an art form and that's the way they express their photographic art. Iba't ibang school of thought yan. I was into film photography for many years. In fact, I even held annual summer photo workshops here in Vancouver under the sponsorship of the UP Alumni Association, touching on composition, exposure, shutter opening and speed, all the basics of photography. We even went on photo field trips.
ReplyDeleteIt's just recently that I got interested in digital photography. First, it's the way photography is going and I have to get on board, otherwise I'll be left behind. Second, it's way cheaper than film. So long as I don't get overboard with the digital images and stay within the parameters of "normal and natural" photography, it's just like film. For a starter I have a 5 MP Canon PowerShot SD30 point-n-shoot, the tiniest camera in the Canon range. All the photos posted in Multiply were taken with this camera, and I'm quite happy with it. No plans to upgrade yet. I'll probably not bother to learn Photoshop because I won't need it and because I'm also computer-challenged.
Photography is art. Do whatever works for you.
oh so finally, i have a Canon fan here on this side...so tell me BNK, how tiny and good is your canon powershot SD30. i wanted to get a new cam and would just like to get your inputs...=)
ReplyDeleteSa digital lang ako nag-Canon pero sa film I use a Nikon F and a Nikon F2 Photomic. My Canon SD30 is sold in Asia as Canon Digital Ixus i Zoom. It was replaced this year by the Canon SD40.
ReplyDeleteFor a complete review of the Canon SD30, please go to:
www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_sd30-reviews/
You might want to check out the Lumix line of digicams as well, particularly those with Leica lenses. Our friend Boy Yniguez uses a Lumix TZ1 with only 5 MP (like my Canon SD30) and his photos are sharp and beautiful. Check out his Multiply site - you can access his site through my or Hugzone's site.
Finally, you don't need to have the most expensive digicam with the highest megapixels and the most bells and whistles to come up with a great photograph. It's who presses the shutter that really matters.
thanks for the advice BNK! i have a jurassic digicam which only has 2 megapixel and i think it is high time to buy a new one with better features...but i am no professional here. so i think i will stick to a point and shoot gadget...as i only shoot celebrations we have...i don't think i have the eyes of our dear kayumanguitos....taob ako..makiki view na lang ako sa kanila...hehehe!!
ReplyDeletei appreciate the time and effort you gave me to explain stuff like this, i am just so ignorant about this...
ReplyDeleteDon't mention it Meann, I enjoy doing this. I was also ignorant about digital photography until I started asking, just like what you're doing right now. And you know what? Due to developments in digital technology, almost all name-brand digicams in the market now are practically comparable in performance. You can't go wrong with any point-n-shoot Canon, Nikon, Panasonic Lumix, Fuji, Pentax, HP, Kodak, Sony, Olympus, Casio. I suggest going to a camera store and asking questions. Hold the camera and see how it feels. Check the functions and settings menu and see how user-friendly it is. Narrow down your choices to at least three, and then go to the internet and google for camera reviews. Ignore salesperson's recommendations as he may be biased towards a particular brand due to higher commission. Even friends could be biased, but at least they're talking from experience. The new point-n-shoot digicams now are in the 7-10 MP range. More MP doesn't necessarily mean better pictures; it simply means you're able to enlarge the picture to a bigger size with reasonable clarity. If your biggest enlargement is 8x10 up to 16x20, a 7 MP is good enough. Good luck!
ReplyDeletenaku dacal na salamat cabalen!
ReplyDeleteiba na talaga ang may experience, first hand...i am no pro...kaya lulubayan ko na ang pangarap na magkaroon ng nikon or canon EOS d40. parang di ako yun eh...i am more of a mommy who wants to capture stuff my kids do...and picture friends when they are with me...so anything small that i can carry in my purse, but still do zoom (macro), sequence and enlargements and panoramic view...is fine by me...
ah cat dear....pasensya ka na at nagamit na venue itong blog mo...hehehe!
hi MeAnn and BNK,
ReplyDeleteI am actually very happy nilagay nyo dito yung mga ganito na comments about digital photography and such.
E ako nga ngayon, nag-million-times think over about buying an SLR...eto nagiisip ba Canon or Nikon, Canon or Nikon, nahihilo na ako...dithering from one end to another...so thanks to BNK din, mag research na ako konti sa Canon...
and there are just so many things which can be discussed about film versus digital, the art form of photography...
ako, I have to thank my dad and his small collection of cameras...puro film yun lahat...ang reklamo ko lang naman is matagal ko makita ang final images and mahal bumili ng mga film etc...
call me snobbish..pero deep inside, isip ko, mas mabibigay ako ng kudos sa photographer using film medium, tapos maganda ang picture nya at walang retoke.
and MeAnn, ako I can vouch for Pentax cameras..maganda ang labas. (kc client namin before Pentax Optical sa Mactan Island so bumibili ako sa sale nila sa Christmas ng mga cams nila for me or if may magpabili if di makapunta..so ok yun)
ReplyDeleteanother is yung sa akin Fujifilm Finepix S602Z ang cam ko ngayon...yung battered and may packaging tape sa gilid..di yon that expensive pero ok naman ang pics
ako naman more of I want to catch the moment forever...and share it with other people...candid and bilisan ang gusto kong shots...kc takot akong mawala..hahaha...so as BNK said, you don't need a gazillion megapixels..even 10 MP for me is overkill..not needed naman...
Hey Cat, Way to go. It is good that you are willing to step up in your photography by attending this workshop. When I used to shoot with film, I joined the Nikon club here and we did a lot of photo shoot on the weekend. I used to shoot 6-7 rolls of 36s a week. In each roll, sometimes only 5 or 6 are good. The rest are throw aways. Then later on as I got better, more frames were worth keeping. Then I didn't have to use up several rolls of film anymore. So you really learn from your mistakes. As a matter of fact, as you continue to learn about your photography, you will instinctively learn how to expose just by looking at your surroundings without using a light meter or the meter in your camera. The old Nikon Fs and F2 will force you to learn to do that. I highly recommend that when you shoot with your digital SLR, when you get one, shoot everything in manual. I am doing the same thing with my digital SLR, except for the focusing. Malabo na kasi yung mata ko. I just let the auto focus work for me, I do the rest myself.
ReplyDeleteBNK's explanation is really good about the difference between digital and film photograpy pero hindi sila nagkakalayo. Using Photoshop is like manipulating your photos in the lab by cropping, dodging and burning. As BNK also said, digital is the way to go.
I have rekindled my passion for it because of digital technology. The only thing I can say about the difference between digital and film is that digital cameras are more sensitive to light than film. I have purposely underexposed some shots and they still turn out the way I wanted it. I also try not to use a flash, unless I really have to. Boboy hardly uses flash too and his results are excellent. Just have steady hand. BTW, some lenses now have image stabilizing features.
Meann, ako rin naging convert to a Canon nung nag-digital ako. I started with a Powershot S40. Then I lost it at the hotel where I had a meeting. I upgraded to the Powershot S50 Black body. Now, I inherited my son's Canon digital SLR and his lenses, the whole package when his company finally issued him his Canon equipment. I am very very happy with them.
ReplyDeleteCAt, pwede rin bang kunan mo yung UST. Kung mapasyal ka lang sa banda roon. Post mo ha.
ReplyDeleteMeann, tama yung advice ni BNK. Get the Lumix brand because it has a Leica lens. I bought one myself too when it went on sale here. I got the Lumix DMC-TZ3. I don't know what the model number is in Asia but it features a 10X Optical zoom. Hindi Digital zoom. That sucks. My Kona posting was taken with that camera. Madali pang dalhin and very user friendly pa. Regarding megapixels, I don't shoot the full megapixels unless I will print and enlarge them. Usually nasa 2 megapixels lang ako. On my SLR, that's when I shoot at L setting but sometimes I set it to M1. It is always better to use a high capacity memory card like a 2G or 4G. Also make it a habit to upload your photos into your computer daily. My son strongly advised that to me. Kung hindi maglalabulabo yung files mo. It is like this, you eat something then you go to the CR to empty yourself.
ReplyDeleteIt is the Indian, not the Arrow. I second the motion BNK.
ReplyDeleteBNK, buhay pa ba yung mga Nikon mo? Sa akin buhay pa. Those cameras live forever as long as you take care of them.
ReplyDeleteI met a guy 2 weeks ago who used to be a photojournalist but now he shoots weddings and stuff and he still uses films for his projects and he shoots with Nikons. We had a nice long conversation and nothing but praises for the old bodies and lenses. Believe it or not (since now I switched to Canon) I recently bought from Ebay a mount adapter so that I could still use my old Nikon Ai and non-Ai lenses on my Canon SLR. There was an article that said it will work. I tried it but it didn't work. I get an error every time I tried to shoot something. It's a good thing I only spent $16.00 for it. Other mount adapters are selling for $56 but with electronic contact points. In my case, I didn't need that since all my Nikon lenses, obviously, are manual focusing.
Cat, look into the Canon 5D (highly recommended) or 30D or 40D. I think you can find a used 5D or 30D online either thru Ebay or Craig's List. The Rebel might work for you too. I am just not sure if you can shoot manually with that.
ReplyDeleteCat, hayaan mo, Ngayong pasko, I will give you negative feedbacks para marami kang makain na chocolate. Then after the holidays, positive feedback naman.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I like your new headshot. So wala kang chocolate treat.
ako nagrereklamo..kc my dad let me play around with his Argus (ngek, di ko alam ang model number non pero nakakatuwa ang hitsura) and high school student lang ako non...shempre tipid sa film kc walang allowance..so I had to really think ano ba ang gusto ko talgang kunan..I can still recall may linya sya sa gitna when you look into the viewfinder para ma-align mo image mong nakikita...hahaha!
ReplyDeletemeron yata din syang Leica pero noli-me-tangere yata yon para sa akin..what saddens me though is that as he has gotten older, di na nya alam saan na yung iban cams nya...
recently this last visit of mine in November to Cebu, buti na discover ko yung Nikon F70 nya..just as I was leaving to go to Manila....balikan ko yon and tingnan if gagana pa...*sobs* may film pa and buti di nag leak ng battery sa tingin ko last 2003 pa yata yong film non when we went on a trip.
I have to agree with you on the flash....although usually automatic yung setting ko sa finepix ko kc bilisan (sino pang mag manipulate sa manual settings of aperture and shutter speed when kumekendot na ang subject mo hehehe)..mas ok pa rin without flash. If I use flash either too white yung faces, yung likod/background itim or medyo ibang labas sa color ng picture, sometimes medyo orangey-yellowish-pasty etc.
waah..huli na..huli na ng nabasa ko to...nagpabili na ako ng Nikon D80 from a friend who is in Japan...
ReplyDeletesure! kung may magdadala sa akin or may magyaya punta doon...the thing I hate about Manila is the difficulty in travelling around..even if I were to have a car (which I don't thank goodness at gastos siguro)...you have to plan everything to get to a place..which is so tiring...unlike Cebu, ang bilis...may impulse ka..you just run and jump into some vehicle without worrying too much...
ReplyDeleteI second the motion! MeAnn, makinig ka sa nakakatanda sa yo (points to Joey ehehehe).
ReplyDeleteI learned this lesson the hard way. For someone like me who is in the computer industry, the concept of backup is supposed to be ingrained, right?
Not with me and cameras before.
Sometime ago, and Sir B is witness to this, a classmate of ours formatted (by accident) my yet untransferred-to-the-laptop media (compact flash) which had all the pictures of all December gatherings I went to...from the old house of an uncle in Forbes which had lovely antiques (may harp pa fit for the angels yon) which I could only visit once in my lifetime to all the Christmas parties namin in AIM)...imagine!
sa tingin ko namutla ako briefly due to a mixture of equal parts anger, sadness, fear, disbelief and murderous intent. buti na lang na control ko pa sarili ko or else, ihulog ko na sya sana from the penthouse window of Sir B's condo in Makati (kumain kc kami don after class...light snacks).
walang lokohan...for a brief moment, kinonsider ko yon..naisip ko lang kc may witness eh...kc nandun si Sir B, Ms G, ibang classmates...hirap naman if ihulog ko rin sila para walang makakaalam...hmph...
and from then on...ayon, every time may pictures ako..hard disk and backup later to cd/dvd.
on one hand, matuwa ako sana..pero on the other hand, walang chocolate treat..so maiyak ako ulit...
ReplyDeleteFind your dad's Leica. It's worth a fortune now.
ReplyDeleteBuhay pa pero naghi-hibernate na. The Nikon F I bought used for $70 in 1975 from an old man here in Vancouver (he was also selling his Hasselblad 500C at the same time). Right after, I took it to the Nikon service center for a check-up and adjustment, and also to change the mirror damper. The Nikon F2 I bought new in San Francisco in 1974.
ReplyDeleteNot only it's worth a fortune Cat. It is still the best range finder camera there is. Do you remember if it's M2 or M3? I am drooling with envy.
ReplyDeleteYou cannot go wrong with Nikon D80. It's a great buy! Mahusay yan. In fact, mas nakatipid ka pa. Canon 5D, 30D and 40D are very expensive but well built. Body lang yon. Yung 5D is full frame. So what you see on the lens is what you get. Sa akin is only 1:3 ratio. e.g. 24 mm will come out as 28 mm. I am thinking of getting a 5D later on pag nakaipon na ulit ako. Namulubi akong bigla nung kinuha ko yung equipment ng aking anak.
ReplyDeletePwede mo pang i-process yung film. I would really make an effort next visit to find all of your dad's cameras. Sayang.
ReplyDeleteRegarding manual settings, in time, masasanay ka rin. You will enjoy it more kasi may control ka sa exposures. e.g. Sunsets are always taken underexposed and bracketed to make it more dramatic. It's like the standard operational procedure.
btw, I love your Corregidor photos. Ay naku, wala ka na namang chocolate.
Cheers!
I heard about the nightmares of getting around there. Siguro I will skip that part when we visit in February 08, just in case you don't know it yet.
ReplyDeleteTears tears tears....I sympathize with you. It should never happen again.
ReplyDeletePareho tayo BNK. Pero it is ready if I need to shoot film again. I just don't know when.
ReplyDeletePadre, pag bisita mo dito mag-photo shoot tayo, OK.
Sana binili mo na rin yung Hasselblad.
My 2 Fs, I bought used. One from a Pawn shop and in mint condition, the other in Seattle. It came with a F36 Motor Drive. Yung F2 dito ko na nabili. Used din. Pero I bought the Motor drive from Sun Photo sa Manila. Doddie, our friend from JASMS convinced me to get it. It was a steal. Brand new pa.
I agree, absolutely. Nothing beats a Leica M series camera, and Leica lenses are the best in the business. If I win the Lotto, I'll reward myself with a Leica M8.
ReplyDeleteSome Panasonic Lumix digicams have Leica lenses (made in Japan in partnership with Leica) that's why the image is sharp and color rendition is accurate). However, Leica lenses made in Germany by Leica are considered the best.
You're right Joey. I should've bought the used Hasselblad 500C the old man was selling when I bought the Nikon F. The price though was kind of steep for me at that time, $500, but in hindsight it was actually a steal because it came with the 80mm lens and a couple of backs.
And yes, we'll go for a photoshoot next time we have EB, either in Hawaii or here in Vancouver, and we'll take our Nikons along.
Sige Bert. Let's take our Nikons along. I compare natin ang results with the Canon digital cameras.
ReplyDeleteSayang yung Hasselblad. Sa lens na lang lamang ka na.
Gusto ko pa rin mag-karon ng Leica someday. Yung M8 digital na yon, di ba?
Oo, yung Leica M8 digital. I also dream of owning Leica film cameras like the M3 and the M7. A Chinese friend shoots with an M3. He'll let you drive his BMW but will never lend you his Leica.
ReplyDeleteam sort of deflated na happy..I just found out that di natuloy ang pagbili ng Nikon D80 ng friend ko...parang ok rin...photography is not the cheapest interest one can have...
ReplyDeletesiguro next year baka nga may Nikon na ako...
I've just checked with my dad...wala pala syang Leica..yung brother nya meron (may mas pera yon) before..ang nakuha nya was his Argus at that time..hahaha!
Nikon lang yata sa kanya...pero I will find time this year to hunt through the first cabinet dito if baka may nakatago syang mga camera na di na nya ma remember...
sa tingin ko expired na yon...but will get batts here and test if his Nikon will work..wala na yung manual, but pwede naman siguro sa internet...eto bag lang at body nasa gilid ko...
ReplyDeleteas for manual settings..oo nga eh...gusto ko nga to have those..esp when I saw yung result ng test ko sa motion blur...sometimes though nakakahinayang isipin pwede naman thru software..hehehe
Cat, subukan mong i-process yung film. It should still be OK. Nangyari na sa kin dati yon. umobra.
ReplyDeleteBakit di natuloy ang pagbili ng friend mo yung Nikon D80?
ReplyDeleteHanapin mo na lang muna yung sa dad mo. Good luck.
Mas madaling palitan ang BMW. I don't blame him.
ReplyDeletehmmm..*lightbulb*
ReplyDelete..alam ko na ang gawin kong standard for the guy na gawin kong bf...parang sign from God...if ipapahiram nya sa akin ang Leica nya..ehem..ehem...(di na yata ako magkaka-bf if ganon ang test hehehe!)